Hi

After much thought there is simply no way around this problem. For any kind of squadron wars to happen, the squadrons has to have a limit of squadron's members.

The problem is very simple, if we begin squadron wars, which will pitch one squadron vs the other, we cannot have one squadron with 500 members vs another of 10 members. The squadrons in real life had a limit too, and this should be no difference. Now the question is where to limit it.

From the stats that I've looked at, 50 members should be more than enough, but I'm willing to go to 70 or even 100 if absolutely mandatory. What are your thoughts?

As for the squadrons that will be split... on squadrons wars you will have the ability to have friendly squadrons, which means you can collaborate as one if you see it fit, but each squadron will have its own owner and they could revolt against the others too.

zuperman wrote: Hi

After much thought there is simply no way around this problem. For any kind of squadron wars to happen, the squadrons has to have a limit of squadron's members.

The problem is very simple, if we begin squadron wars, which will pitch one squadron vs the other, we cannot have one squadron with 500 members vs another of 10 members. The squadrons in real life had a limit too, and this should be no difference. Now the question is where to limit it.

From the stats that I've looked at, 50 members should be more than enough, but I'm willing to go to 70 or even 100 if absolutely mandatory. What are your thoughts?

As for the squadrons that will be split... on squadrons wars you will have the ability to have friendly squadrons, which means you can collaborate as one if you see it fit, but each squadron will have its own owner and they could revolt against the others too.

Our aim at the Looney Bin is 30 members, so for us 50 would be fine and I'm sure all squads can break down there squads into categories like, nationality, preferred playing times, etc, etc?

It's getting exciting now

Hey zuperman.. all this time I have been assuming that the size of the squadrons isn't relevant because only a specific amount of pilots could enter into a squadron vs squadron misson? i.e. 4 vs 4 as we have now.. or hopefully something like 10 vs 10 ??

Isn't Squadron Wars going to be like a football season with missions won/lost vs other squadrons the determining factor? And after a specific amount of time the squadrons with the best Wins to Losses ratio would enter into a Playoffs scenario to battle each other for the Championship??

Well some squads like mom misfits and a few other have more than 100 can you just put a limit on how many from each squad enter the room???dont think limiting the actual squadrons is gonna work but the squad could always pick who is and who isent battling in war....

In my opinion that would be good Zebra but the current rank system could be used but with teams instead of individual players.
I'm sure there will be plenty other suggestions but you could have a DPG (deaths per game) WPG (wins per games) type of K/D ratio.

So if MOM had played 2500 games and had won 1850

But

The Looney Bin had played 250 but won 186 the Looney Bin would be leading MOM in the ranking..

I hope that makes sense..

Also I agree 10v10 would be nice give people a reason to be better ranked within squads so they can battle in squadron wars anything more than 10v10 would be hard to imagine without a hudge map...curious to see how this turns out

We have 77 members in the misfits now, i think if we had to split into to squads there would be problems. Like some might want to be in one squad and not the other for reasons unforeseen so 100 should be the limit. M.o.m i think has over 100 members i think there was some animosity amongst members when they tried forming multiple squads with in the squad. I just think there would be some hurt feelings if we had to split our two great squads. respectfully [M] jack burton1

Of our 77 members, I can count only 4 who are not active. As for the rest of the squad, you will find at least one or more at any given time in the game. To ask those active members to leave after earning the right of passage into the squad would be nothing shy of insulting.

If as suggested, a limit to the amount of players from each squad is put in place, then those squads should be able to coordinate which members can make the game. Whiplash has had success with mock squad wars in which each side was able to get they're squad on opposing sides in multiple servers with each squad responsible for the planning.

I do wonder though, if reservations will be necessary? and if so, then how long is the waiting list? and sign the Misfits up now.

Zuperman and Dogfighters...I was doing some brainstorming and wanted to know your thoughts:

Using the same programming which puts our own squadron pilots into our own Squadron chat, can we use that as a doorway to place the specific pilots of each squadron involved in the war into the designated server associated with that corresponding Squadron war?

You can still limit the number of pilots from each Squadron as currently (4 vs 4 or 10 vs 10, which you Zuperman would like, 10 vs 10 ). Once a Squadron maxes out the pilot limit then additional members with that squad in the war would not be allowed due to pilot limit within the Squadron war within the designated server of the corresponding Squadron War.

In lay terms....using the Squadron banners of the specific Squadrons in the Squadron war, can that be used to place the pilots of the specific squadrons into the designated server for that specific squadron war? Each Squadron would be in charge, like they are currently, to make sure those who should have the specific Squadron banner have and those who shouldnt have the banner to not have that Squadron banner.

Hopefully I said it clear enough and if I didnt feel free to ask for additional clarification, questions, suggestions and the like.....I'm brainstorming here and just trying to help all of us on this "squadron war thing" cause I truly care about each and every one of you as Dogfight pilots.

Hiya Z And Fellow Pilots... I Also Anticipate Squad Wars I think we can Kill 2 Birds with one stone... Everyone knows Lagg can be very frustrating and the best we as users can do is to enter and leave repeatedly until we get the correct side... This must create quite a surge on the programming... So my best suggestion is simply this. Please install a choice button in the menu exa. (Allied) or (German). By doing this it will limit the amount of players per side also hopefully ridding The Greatest Game Ever Created of the dreaded Lagg. I know you are working hard on this Z so please keep up the good work and Good Luck!!!!!!

Jeramy/Guardian

Hiya Z And Fellow Pilots... I Also Anticipate Squad Wars I think we can Kill 2 Birds with one stone... Everyone knows Lagg can be very frustrating and the best we as users can do is to enter and leave repeatedly until we get the correct side... This must create quite a surge on the programming... So my best suggestion is simply this. Please install a choice button in the menu exa. (Allied) or (German). By doing this it will limit the amount of players per side also hopefully ridding The Greatest Game Ever Created of the dreaded Lagg. I know you are working hard on this Z so please keep up the good work and Good Luck!!!!!!

Jeramy/Guardian

...this can be done in addition to the suggestion I mentioned earlier. ....

or through programming and the Squadron banner make a designated server:

(for example: Messines Server for a Falcon vs MOM Squadron War)....and then say (for example, Falcon Banners are German within that Messine Server vs MOM Banners are Allied within that Messine server....with a 10 vs 10 war, in our example Falcon vs MOM Squadron war.....with no other banners allowed entry into that Messine server and no other members of the Falcons or MOMs, in our example of a Falcon vs MOM Squadron War, allowed outside of the 10 per side allocated per squadron in the specific Squadron War between Falcons and MOM's in the Messine Server, in this example.

Thoughts?

I honestly thought that zuperman was going to have a dedicated server just for Squadron Wars... and that ONLY pilots in the 2 designated squadrons slated to battle each other during the specific time period would be able to enter the mission.

So if say during a mission a pilot has to drop out because of real life factors he could go into his squadron chat or world chat and say he is leaving and ONLY another member of his squadron could enter that mission to take his place.

I just assumed that Squadron Wars missions would automatically make even teams as well as putting the pilots on the appropriate side (German/Allied) as well as keeping out non-squadron pilots from entering the squadron vs squadron mission.

Its like in nature world whatever group has larger number of members and it is going to win just on sher numbers Factor so all these big squads have over 50 to 100 people are going to start getting upset about having to limit their players and get rid of people because size is power but a small squads like Devils Dragons with only 24-25 members we consider ourselves be up just as high as in the top squadrons that have over a hundred members them. Atleast limiting the amount of members in a squad will level the playing field for all squads, because that means everyone has the same maximim amount of members so now it becomes all about the skill of each individual pilot instead of just a blinding force of massive numbers.

plus it's hard to get new squadron members when everybody wants to be in these huge squads, at least by limiting the amount of members each member on that squad will have had to well earn their spot on the squad instead of just sending the application and getting accepted. This would give other squads a chance to grow as well

DD| *joker* wrote: Its like in nature world whatever group has larger number of members and it is going to win just on sher numbers Factor so all these big squads have over 50 to 100 people are going to start getting upset about having to limit their players and get rid of people because size is power but a small squads like Devils Dragons with only 24-25 members we consider ourselves be up just as high as in the top squadrons that have over a hundred members them. Atleast limiting the amount of members in a squad will level the playing field for all squads, because that means everyone has the same maximim amount of members so now it becomes all about the skill of each individual pilot instead of just a blinding force of massive numbers.

The amount of wins should determine rank, not the number of players on a squad. I'm sure if you were asked to leave DD after being an active member for a period of time, you may feel left out.

Size shouldn't be a factor if the limiting factor is the number of players in a game. Kind of like the NFL, set up a schedule and determine the winner at the end of the season and continue into playoffs and a grand finale for the top ranked squads.

zuperman wrote: Hi

After much thought there is simply no way around this problem. For any kind of squadron wars to happen, the squadrons has to have a limit of squadron's members.

The problem is very simple, if we begin squadron wars, which will pitch one squadron vs the other, we cannot have one squadron with 500 members vs another of 10 members. The squadrons in real life had a limit too, and this should be no difference. Now the question is where to limit it.

From the stats that I've looked at, 50 members should be more than enough, but I'm willing to go to 70 or even 100 if absolutely mandatory. What are your thoughts?

As for the squadrons that will be split... on squadrons wars you will have the ability to have friendly squadrons, which means you can collaborate as one if you see it fit, but each squadron will have its own owner and they could revolt against the others too.

MOM is probably closer to 150 than 100 right now. We really work like a pyramid scheme so it pays to get more and more members.

Zup - I think we would all be interested in knowing the design around this mythical thing you call Squad Wars. Is it a different server? How many planes at a time? Is there a waiting room if too many pilots are available to fly? Is there a scoring system? This may help us understand the need for a limit.

At one point Wig was thinking of making flights within the squad but like most MOM processes or rules it was widely ignored and forgotten. One thing I would point out is that if you do the number too small then you may not have enough pilots. It's not like 50 pilots from a squad would all be available to fly at the same time (or maybe they don't want to do the Squad War "mission").

I guess in the end, do what you want. If I need to move from MOM I can...wasn't there an all girls squad at one time. Recruit me!

Jeramy wrote: Hiya Z And Fellow Pilots... I Also Anticipate Squad Wars I think we can Kill 2 Birds with one stone... Everyone knows Lagg can be very frustrating and the best we as users can do is to enter and leave repeatedly until we get the correct side... This must create quite a surge on the programming... So my best suggestion is simply this. Please install a choice button in the menu exa. (Allied) or (German). By doing this it will limit the amount of players per side also hopefully ridding The Greatest Game Ever Created of the dreaded Lagg. I know you are working hard on this Z so please keep up the good work and Good Luck!!!!!!

Jeramy/Guardian

Many people would pick german only for two reasons:

Us morafs like the stripes,

And some people spend all day looking for german zep missions so they can stack their points up (lame)

The zep should go both ways before making such a change.

[M]bzerkbzerk wrote:

DD| *joker* wrote: Its like in nature world whatever group has larger number of members and it is going to win just on sher numbers Factor so all these big squads have over 50 to 100 people are going to start getting upset about having to limit their players and get rid of people because size is power but a small squads like Devils Dragons with only 24-25 members we consider ourselves be up just as high as in the top squadrons that have over a hundred members them. Atleast limiting the amount of members in a squad will level the playing field for all squads, because that means everyone has the same maximim amount of members so now it becomes all about the skill of each individual pilot instead of just a blinding force of massive numbers.

The amount of wins should determine rank, not the number of players on a squad. I'm sure if you were asked to leave DD after being an active member for a period of time, you may feel left out.

Size shouldn't be a factor if the limiting factor is the number of players in a game. Kind of like the NFL, set up a schedule and determine the winner at the end of the season and continue into playoffs and a grand finale for the top ranked squads.

I guess call me old fashion but more members means more overall wins, if in fact I was asked to leave my squad it would be because I didn't make the cut just as any sports team, take the best of what's available to you and make a team out of it first then you go to play ball. No disrespect inteded.

I believe the best way to keep all teams even would be a 10v10 due to people who cant show ive done the small wars with devils dragons already and getting people to show is not always easy..also the btc and bombing the base work best cause the winner is the one who is successful in the mission..it should also be up to squadron leaders who participates as well that will give all active players a reason to improve and follow all df rules..

Having wondered how this would play out its no surprise to see something like this come up... That said... if there were a way to party up members into different Idk... I guess "wings" is an appropriate word... first and then join the match, that would solve the number of pilots issue and squad leaders could delegate which pilots go in and/or assign wing leaders who would. Just a thought.

I know squadrons are 50+ 100+ but not all fly or Will even take part in squadron wars... Squads would have to coordinate who would be on when, which fighters will fight where etc.

We at Enigma have a large number of members but most only play a few times a month, so we would never pit more than a handful into a battle at any given time.

Zebra....I was helping ZUPERMAN by giving specific as to the background.....and that first sentence you mentioned is exactly what I was saying...that ONLY the two squads would be in the specific mission.

Zebra...thats the concept I was saying...I was presenting it from the how it would be done vs the result from the how.

I guess the result of what I said..would result....whoever wins more of the 10 vs 10 match ups wins....and it would match up between the squads, in addition to what I originally said, to make the game "even" as Zebra said.

How about M.O.M.. splits into three squads, M.O.M. one M.O.M two, and M.O.M three? Wig will be Moraf of one, Strachan will be moraf of two, and Davy will lead three. They will be split up every third player by ranking. Sound plausible?

|111th|tSwopCaml wrote: Zebra....I was helping ZUPERMAN by giving specific as to the background.....and that first sentence you mentioned is exactly what I was saying...that ONLY the two squads would be in the specific mission.

Zebra...thats the concept I was saying...I was presenting it from the how it would be done vs the result from the how.

I guess the result of what I said..would result....whoever wins more of the 10 vs 10 match ups wins....and it would match up between the squads, in addition to what I originally said, to make the game "even" as Zebra said.

10v10 battles against bigger and smaller squads would mean the same ten smaller squad members face groups of ten of the bigger squad. And it would still pan out evenly right

How about M.O.M.. splits into three squads, M.O.M. one M.O.M two, and M.O.M three? Wig will be Moraf of one, Strachan will be moraf of two, and Davy will lead three. They will be split up every third player by ranking. Sound plausible?

Put a limit to how many players from each squad who can participate in squad war not a limit on overall squadrons...no need to change squadrons for squad wars....ive done these squad battles with dd its not easy getting 5 people to show up all at same time ....

I guess before we go any further in our discussion that we really need to get more information from zuperman as to what the format for Squadron Wars is going to be..

1. Is it going to be like organized sports teams have where they have games against each other and the teams with the best records go into a playoff scenario?

2. Is it going to be like Whiplash's points tournament where the players statistics are tallied and combined for each squadron vs other squadrons?

3. Is it going to be something totally different from either of these???

If you give us more information zuperman we can perhaps give you more intelligent ideas...

Wow Zebra, you just blew my mind. I always assumed that it would just be a place where only members of one squadron would play normal games against only players from other squadrons. I never dreamed it would be a competition for ultimate squad supremacy...

thats my understanding John.....GREAT observation from my comments

MY thought is that it would be different than all of those..

It would be similar to a NFL football game based solely on where one squad wins the mission of the specific squadron war within that specific server....Squadron that wins the 10 vs 10, 5 vs 5 etc....(equal teams of equal number of members) wins that game.....

there could be a playoff secenario....but Zuperman furst needs to look at the logistics of how the designated servers and how number of pilots of each sqaud and how get into the squadron war....

Hey zebra simple way would be squad wars are bombing missions carrier or hangers and who ever completes the mission wins!!!real simple no need to tally anything the game would speak for its self.