blog.al.com/wire/2013/07/george_zimmerman_found_not_gui.html please leave a post here regarding if you think Zimmerman is guilty or not

I think he's not guilty, He did what he thought he had to do to save his life. This kid was trouble and I think he was out looking for trouble , And found some. We had punks just like it on our street for awhile till we started a neighborhood watch (ARMED) Only then did these tugs leave and not come back. And before its said...White,Black,Pink or Brown it doesn't matter when your perfecting your family. He's not guilty.

But Dr Dave here's what I heard travon was minding his own business walking down the street and Zimmerman decided to follow him and he followed him so travon turned around and saw Zimmerman and he started running and screaming for help and Zimmerman shot him for no reason he was unarmed and only had candy in his pocket

Please take your time and read and listen to this audio and tell me what do you think trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/trayvon-martin-911-calls-audio/

That could have been easily faked. There were no witnesses. Trayvon was huge, and Zimmerman was neighborhood watch that had good reason to think trayvon was suspicious. 911 said there was no problem with following him, and when Martin was confronted, Martin reached for zimmermans gun, and Zimmerman shot him in self defense. Either way, there is not sufficient evidence to convict him with out a doubt

i have listened to a large part of this from the start and Trayvon was a known problem in that neighborhood Zimmerman had good reason to follow him and when faced off with him even more reason to shoot. This guy had a rap sheet and was known to be a fighter. All this being said and done, Ill agree the fact remaines the only information i have and anyone else has is what the news media wants us to have so that in itself is reason to doubt.

Not Guilty

But he shouldn't have shot him he could've hit him with a gun or something if you listen to audio 2 you can hear travon screaming help in the back ground and then bang but why was Zimmerman following him in the first place if travon was sitting there looking around and walking but he saw Zimmerman with a gun and started running I would've reached for his gun if he was pointing it at me to to try to knock it out of his hand

NOT GUILTY, GOOD!

sgt.mo wrote: But he shouldn't have shot him he could've hit him with a gun or something if you listen to audio 2 you can hear travon screaming help in the back ground and then bang but why was Zimmerman following him in the first place if travon was sitting there looking around and walking but he saw Zimmerman with a gun and started running I would've reached for his gun if he was pointing it at me to to try to knock it out of his hand

my understanding is that Travon was bigger than Zimmerman and if you've ever faced off with someone bigger than you theres a level of fear that goes thur your bones not knowing if you can take this guy or not, And if Travon wasnt up to no good why would he feel the need to approach or confront a neighborhood watchman anyway? If he lived in that neighborhood he knew they were there and knew they were armed to protect him and themselves. Thats what a neighborhood watch group is all about. If the police cant or wont protect you and your familys then you do it yourself. In Texas this would have gone nowhere past the 6 o'clock news. Why its gone on this far is anybodys guess but as for finding him not guilty I think that a party of 12 see's things the same way 99% of the country see's it. and the same way I see it.

I came to this thread expecting a lot of flaming and fighting, hahahah.


The thing I didn't like was the blatant media bias -- everywhere. All the images you see of Trayvon on the news were the images of when he was 12 years old. For example:




Also, all initial images of Zimmerman were of him in his prison jumpsuit.


I also didn't like the fact that the jury was told all about Zimmerman's past and crimes. When nothing about Trayvon's past was mentioned (three school suspensions, selling cannabis, fight videos, etc).



In my humble opinion, I support the "Not guilty" sentence. There's way too many inconstancies with the Martin's case. However, I don't agree with Zimmerman following Trayvon either and I think it was a poor use of judgement. It does show that Trayvon had to be aggressive at one point in order to force Zimmerman to pull his firearm.





Quite honestly, I'm ready for the media to quit playing this case. There are a lot more important issues happening in the world.

Very well said, very similar thoughts as Slender. Huge problems with the prosecution's case, and major media bias. Hard for me to say on Zimmerman's judgment for following Martin, as I wasn't there and I haven't heard all the testimony. But for what I have heard, I wouldn't have followed him myself; however, following wasn't the issue. Issue is what he was presented with that made him pull the gun, and what happened at that point. I think Zimmerman will be found Not Guilty, and IMO that would be just.
Manfred

EDIT: Whoops, looks like I missed the verdict! Been chasing horses all weekend, early to bed and early to rise and all that. But as was stated, there are far more important things going on than this trial. It was kinda nice missing all that TV.

Unfourtanetly to me I think, and I say I think, this is still the usa way of starting more racial stuff than needed. The media is just as influenced by money as anyone and can present things as needed.

I'm sorry to say this but there ha've been worse cases than this in the past and it's to me its always politically fueled. O.j. Simpson, Ray Lewis, now this.

You tell me what's the difference now?

Im going to post this after an hour or somabout thinking about it. I've changed words and other stuff. Davy Crockett started me to thinking about something about twa flight 800.

The USA government has too much control

It will always continue. And I fear soon there will be a war.

That's why zup created dogfight. He saw it coming too and tried to fix it in a civilised way
Great. The black suvs are coming down the road

Please don't jump to conclusions about me and trash me.

He killed someone.
Manslaughter

Was either side presented well?
I don't think so

You young people stay in school and fix the system...

I'll keep clearing trees from powerlines until then

I have a 15 year old who is 6'2" tall.

What should I tell him to avoid what happened to Treyvon Martin?

1. Don't go out.
2. Don't walk in our neighborhood.
3. Don't wear a sweatshirt with a hood.
4. If a strange man follows you in a truck and then gets out of the truck to follow you and does not identify himself do not assume he has ill intentions.
5. If said man corners you after persuing you into someone's yard do not stand your ground.
6. If you defend yourself and then discover the man has a gun do not try to take it from him.

George Zimmerman messed up. He was on neighborhood watch. He was there to protect the neighborhood by detering crime with his presence and to report suspicious activity to the police, not to stock people who he assumed had bad intentions. The most effective way to deter crime is to make it obvious that there is some sort of survalence going on, not to be incognito and follow. I don't think anything shows that George Zimmerman went forth to intentionally kill anyone but his incompetance as a neighborhood watchman provoked a confrontation in which he killed someone who had every right to be in the neighborhood. IMO; Definately manslaughter.

BTW, one of the most important things you can tell your teenagers to keep them out of trouble in many places is:
7. Don't be black.

It's not a race issue. It's a sociatal perception issue in which it is far more likely that people will assume that darkskinned people are up to no good.

"Karma up", McFate!

KA5EY wrote: Unfourtanetly to me I think, and I say I think, this is still the usa way of starting more racial stuff than needed. The media is just as influenced by money as anyone and can present things as needed.

I'm sorry to say this but there ha've been worse cases than this in the past and it's to me its always politically fueled. O.j. Simpson, Ray Lewis, now this.

You tell me what's the difference now?

Im going to post this after an hour or somabout thinking about it. I've changed words and other stuff. Davy Crockett started me to thinking about something about twa flight 800.

The USA government has too much control

It will always continue. And I fear soon there will be a war.

That's why zup created dogfight. He saw it coming too and tried to fix it in a civilised way
Great. The black suvs are coming down the road

DAVY SAYS, yes KA5SY, the government is way to powerful, everything is politically driven and you can never know the truth about anything even remotely associated with any government agency whether its local, state or federal. This trial was a shame, it should not have happened as the media was the main entity that drove this trial. I am glad they found him innocent.

I am battling the Tennessee government right now. I am being sued by the state and tomorrow i go to 3 days of mediation and if the mediation does not work than i go to trial in sept. I am innocent of the charges against me, it is political fight between sewers and forced hookup to the sewer. A fight that was lead by myself and one other women. Basically we have stopped the utility from expanding, bankrupted them and bankrupted the property owners association. Im very proud of that, probably the only time in history that a utility was beat. The sewer was created by crooked politicians who stood to make a lot of money. Now these politicians are trying to shut me down. This goes high into the Tennessee government.

Please everyone, wish me luck the next few days. I will try and play at night if i can. If you want to see it in the newspapers goggle CROSSVILLE SENTINEL and you can read about me.

My website is www.stoptansisewers.com

I do not really want to put a lot of political stuff... But I think he is not guilty, I researched the topic, and found out that Trey was a gangster type kid, and he even got kicked out of school for it... So I have to go with what I researched... Zimmerman is not guilty (And was found not guilty)

McFate wrote: I have a 15 year old who is 6'2" tall.

What should I tell him to avoid what happened to Treyvon Martin?

1. Don't go out.
2. Don't walk in our neighborhood.
3. Don't wear a sweatshirt with a hood.
4. If a strange man follows you in a truck and then gets out of the truck to follow you and does not identify himself do not assume he has ill intentions.
5. If said man corners you after persuing you into someone's yard do not stand your ground.
6. If you defend yourself and then discover the man has a gun do not try to take it from him.

George Zimmerman messed up. He was on neighborhood watch. He was there to protect the neighborhood by detering crime with his presence and to report suspicious activity to the police, not to stock people who he assumed had bad intentions. The most effective way to deter crime is to make it obvious that there is some sort of survalence going on, not to be incognito and follow. I don't think anything shows that George Zimmerman went forth to intentionally kill anyone but his incompetance as a neighborhood watchman provoked a confrontation in which he killed someone who had every right to be in the neighborhood. IMO; Definately manslaughter.

BTW, one of the most important things you can tell your teenagers to keep them out of trouble in many places is:
7. Don't be black.

It's not a race issue. It's a sociatal perception issue in which it is far more likely that people will assume that darkskinned people are up to no good.

McFate, you tell him not to get on his knees on top of someone and start slamming their head into the pavement. That'll probably take care of most of it.

Btw, I've been in some really rough "street fights" in my younger years. Zimmerman's story washed with me, b/c I've been in the same position, except my skull had been fractured by a crowbar, and rather than shooting him (I'd left my 12ga in the truck :/ ), I took my left fist and completely smashed his "family jewels", and then punched his eyes until blood came from the sockets, and every time he laid on top of me so that I couldn't get to his face and ears I spurred his kidneys as hard as I could with the heel of my cowboy boot. If I'd had a gun on me, I would have shot him. Luckily, I was 6'2", 17 years old, strong as a horse, and able to handle it. Zimmerman??? Not a chance. That guy that I fought with has done two prison terms now... One for manslaughter.

I think Zimmerman is an ass, but I think he was given a terribly raw deal, as evidenced by the recent development that the state was withholding evidence from the defense. It was also turned into a race issue by folks who make their living by creating race issues. Zimmerman... How white is that? Oops, his mom is from Peru... Oops, he has a history of volunteering and mentoring black kids???

The state put politics before basic common sense, and brought 15 months of hell to a man who was obviously not guilty of anything, when Florida law is applied.

So in short, I don't like Zimmerman very much, but when considering the gross lack of proof brought by the prosecution, and applicable Florida law, he was absolutely not guilty. The jurors were correct.

Davy Crockett wrote:

KA5EY wrote: Unfourtanetly to me I think, and I say I think, this is still the usa way of starting more racial stuff than needed. The media is just as influenced by money as anyone and can present things as needed.

I'm sorry to say this but there ha've been worse cases than this in the past and it's to me its always politically fueled. O.j. Simpson, Ray Lewis, now this.

You tell me what's the difference now?

Im going to post this after an hour or somabout thinking about it. I've changed words and other stuff. Davy Crockett started me to thinking about something about twa flight 800.

The USA government has too much control

It will always continue. And I fear soon there will be a war.

That's why zup created dogfight. He saw it coming too and tried to fix it in a civilised way
Great. The black suvs are coming down the road

DAVY SAYS, yes KA5SY, the government is way to powerful, everything is politically driven and you can never know the truth about anything even remotely associated with any government agency whether its local, state or federal. This trial was a shame, it should not have happened as the media was the main entity that drove this trial. I am glad they found him innocent.

I am battling the Tennessee government right now. I am being sued by the state and tomorrow i go to 3 days of mediation and if the mediation does not work than i go to trial in sept. I am innocent of the charges against me, it is political fight between sewers and forced hookup to the sewer. A fight that was lead by myself and one other women. Basically we have stopped the utility from expanding, bankrupted them and bankrupted the property owners association. Im very proud of that, probably the only time in history that a utility was beat. The sewer was created by crooked politicians who stood to make a lot of money. Now these politicians are trying to shut me down. This goes high into the Tennessee government.

Please everyone, wish me luck the next few days. I will try and play at night if i can. If you want to see it in the newspapers goggle CROSSVILLE SENTINEL and you can read about me.

My website is www.stoptansisewers.com

Best of luck Davy!!!!! Give em hell man!!!!!!

McFate wrote: I have a 15 year old who is 6'2" tall.

What should I tell him to avoid what happened to Treyvon Martin?

1. Don't go out.
2. Don't walk in our neighborhood.
3. Don't wear a sweatshirt with a hood.
4. If a strange man follows you in a truck and then gets out of the truck to follow you and does not identify himself do not assume he has ill intentions.
5. If said man corners you after persuing you into someone's yard do not stand your ground.
6. If you defend yourself and then discover the man has a gun do not try to take it from him.

George Zimmerman messed up. He was on neighborhood watch. He was there to protect the neighborhood by detering crime with his presence and to report suspicious activity to the police, not to stock people who he assumed had bad intentions. The most effective way to deter crime is to make it obvious that there is some sort of survalence going on, not to be incognito and follow. I don't think anything shows that George Zimmerman went forth to intentionally kill anyone but his incompetance as a neighborhood watchman provoked a confrontation in which he killed someone who had every right to be in the neighborhood. IMO; Definately manslaughter.

BTW, one of the most important things you can tell your teenagers to keep them out of trouble in many places is:
7. Don't be black.

It's not a race issue. It's a sociatal perception issue in which it is far more likely that people will assume that darkskinned people are up to no good.

there were people said this kid knew zimmerman was a neighborhood watchman, he knew the mans vehicle and knew who was watching him, as to why he felt the need to confront zimmerman is any bodys guess. as for my neighborhood watch they carry and everybody knows they carry there are signs saying they carry and the cars are marked as is their orang vest so i stand behide zimmerman and as for Black and White I beleave people throw that up when they know they do not have a legitimate argument to dispute the facts. If he or she happen to be Black it makes the news as a Race thing if they happen to be White brown or other then its rare if it gets past the 6 o'clock news. I say give up the Black card that was 150years ago and its time to move on.

Oh never mind..... All I'll say is, the man went on trial and beat it , just like OJ. good for him and good enough for me.

I just deleted the response that took me a LONG time to write. You all know I can be long winded. I'm going to put this thread in with the religion threads I won't post on anymore. Y'all have fun with it. If you hear louds screaming coming from the direction of NC, that'll be me, but I ain't posting about it. Too many strong emotions.

I Agree!! Both were wrong, it's a shame it didn't just end with a black eye or bloody nose! Truth of
the matter is that he was found not guilty in a court of law! Can't wait to see what Reverend Al Sharpton tries to do with this, I can already hear the squirrel in his head running on the squeaky wheel from here! By the way I did not see any pics of the "present" Trayvon on this thread, wish I knew how to post them, he was a drug dealing wanna be thug!! Don't feel sorry one bit for him!! Don't be surprised when you do see and latest pic of the thug!! I wasn't!!

And guns are bad. And war games. If you ever get robbed by two guys watch the following video. Or watch it beforehand. Just in case...

Video*here*video

See? No gun needed.

onsekone wrote: And guns are bad. And war games. If you ever get robbed by two guys watch the following video. Or watch it beforehand. Just in case...

Video*here*video

See? No gun needed.

Haha! Nice video... I didn't get "I was robbed by 2 men" on the last one...

Pistolpete59 wrote: I Agree!! Both were wrong, it's a shame it didn't just end with a black eye or bloody nose! Truth of
the matter is that he was found not guilty in a court of law! Can't wait to see what Reverend Al Sharpton tries to do with this, I can already hear the squirrel in his head running on the squeaky wheel from here! By the way I did not see any pics of the "present" Trayvon on this thread, wish I knew how to post them, he was a drug dealing wanna be thug!! Don't feel sorry one bit for him!! Don't be surprised when you do see and latest pic of the thug!! I wasn't!!

And the squirrel is saying "civil rights charges". What a joke. I heard an interview with Alan Dershowitz earlier today outlining how the real civil rights violations were committed by the prosecution. Pretty compelling... I hope the lady is disbarred.

Posting pics is a lot easier with a photobucket account. PM me if you want instructions.

Slenderman wrote: I came to this thread expecting a lot of flaming and fighting, hahahah.


The thing I didn't like was the blatant media bias -- everywhere. All the images you see of Trayvon on the news were the images of when he was 12 years old.

Also, all initial images of Zimmerman were of him in his prison jumpsuit.

You mean this pic? I think this case makes great trojan agains gun ownership. I have even seen mainstream media attacking against right of self defence because of this.

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Zimmerman trial turns spotlight on another Florida self-defense case

By Susan Cooper Eastman

JACKSONVILLE, Florida (Reuters) - Three days after a Florida jury found George Zimmerman not guilty for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, the Rev. Jesse Jackson visited Jacksonville to call attention to another self-defense case that he called a "travesty" of justice.

Jackson spent an hour in a jailhouse visit with Marissa Alexander, 32, an African American who was sentenced to a mandatory 20 years in prison for firing a warning shot into the wall of her home in 2010 to end a violent argument with her abusive husband.

"In one case Mr. Zimmerman kills a young man and walks away, free to kill again," Jackson said. "And Marissa shot no one, hurt no one, and she's in jail for 20 years."

Jackson said the contrast in the Zimmerman and Alexander cases exposed injustices in the justice system.

"We see radical racial polarization in the judicial system," Jackson told the Florida Times-Union. "That's a cause of great concern."

After meeting with Alexander, Jackson spoke with Angela Corey, the state prosecutor who handled both the Martin and the Alexander cases. Corey told him that Alexander's case is in the appeal phase and out of her jurisdiction, but Jackson said he asked her to use her power to see that Alexander is released.

"Ours was a moral appeal," he said. "This mother has three children. They need their mother," he said, noting that Alexander had already served the three years originally offered to her by the state in a plea deal.

Michael Dowd, a New York domestic violence attorney handling Alexander's appeal, contends she should not have been charged with felonies, but rather a misdemeanor, such as unlawful discharge of a gun.

Local leaders from the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and the National Action Network are calling for Florida Governor Rick Scott to pardon Alexander.

PROSECUTOR'S RECORD

When Scott appointed Corey special prosecutor in the Zimmerman case and she brought second-degree murder charges against him, some legal experts said she had overcharged. After her office lost the case, many legal experts said prosecutors didn't have enough evidence to win a second degree murder conviction.

When Corey first ran for office in 2008, the tough-on-crime Republican prosecutor promised voters she would pursue criminals to the fullest extent of the law.

Corey also garnered national condemnation when she charged 12-year-old Cristian Fernandez with first degree murder in the death of his two-year-old stepbrother. At the time, Fernandez faced mandatory life in prison if found guilty.

In the Alexander case, Cory charged the 32-year-old woman with three counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon because her husband's two children were in the house during the argument.

Alexander's case received little attention when she was convicted, but that changed after the Trayvon Martin killing cast a new spotlight on Florida's "Stand Your Ground" self-defense laws.

Under the "Stand Your Ground" law, people fearing for their lives can use deadly force without having to retreat from a confrontation, even when it is possible.

Alexander, a slightly built woman, said her husband, Rico Gray, was moving toward her threateningly when she fired into a kitchen wall. He had previously been convicted on a domestic violence charge for attacking her.

Gray's two children were at home, in the living room. Prosecutors alleged that the shot endangered Gray and the children.

Alexander filed a "Stand Your Ground" claim, but a judge ruled against her because Alexander chose to go back into the house with her gun.

A jury took just 12 minutes to find her guilty of three counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Because Alexander fired a gun in the incident, Florida's "10-20-Life" mandatory-minimum sentencing guidelines required the judge to sentence her to 20 years in prison.

At the time, Alexander had an active restraining order against her husband and she carried a concealed weapons permit.

(Editing by David Adams and Ken Wills)